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I want to go back to yesterday's topic for a bit, to talk more about the masochists continuum. Some things I thought later, after posting, and some things are responses to the rest of you.
It occurred to me after I posted that I'm not sure if I'm talking about how much pain you desire or how much you desire pain. I think those two things might be different. Is it about how much pain one of us takes relative to the others, if there was a way to standardize would that make it clearer? Or is it about how much we crave it, how much they can make us want it? And the reasons we crave it, as an appetizer or the main course, as a way to offer service or as a thrill all its own?
I think that most Sadists (notice I give it the capital letter, as befits how important my Sadist is to me sometimes?) would say that its not how much pain a sub can take but how they take the pain. Are they willing? Do they struggle? Will they keep taking it after they don't want it anymore? Do they cry? Do they cry beautifully?
With pain, there's always a point where it can go too far. They can always push past the point where it's "good pain" and into bad. Time is on their side. They can always make you say uncle or stop or safe word. They can always make you cry or beg them to stop or scream for help. Is that what they want? Depends on the Sadist I guess.
I think that Sadists must need to calibrate new recipients (what word am I going to use here? Girls? Subs? Slaves? Masochists? Pain sluts? Victims?) I'm going to go with girls I think which will show some of my own assumptions. Sadists who want a relationship with their girls must need to calibrate them and understand how much pain they can take and work with that.
Presumably they start off slowly, testing, watching for results, evaluating the experience as they go. Does she like this? What about this? Is this too far? What happens when it's too far? Will she let me hurt her? Will she let me go so far it damages her? Will she use the safe word I've given her?
A paddle and a paddling that one girl might scoff at (beware of scoffing though, that's never a good stance) might reduce another to hysterical tears. And both honest reactions elicited by the same basic experience. Clamps that might make one beg for release might be perfect for another. So the Sadist learns to calibrate.
My own Sadist knows that clamps that hurt me but are bearable for 10 minutes will reduce me to a quivering weeping jelly after 60 minutes.
And those same clamps... how would they be on another girl? Well that's not really the point right? The point would be that he's looking for a response and can try different things til he gets it. Maybe it's not about having them on for 60 minutes or maybe it is. Maybe it's about having them on that long. Or maybe its about an instant response. So he'd change the equipment or use something gentler like clothespins or those nasty black office clamps and I'm pretty sure he'd get what he wanted.
I guess the point isn't your absolute tolerance for pain, it's something different.
I wonder if this is making any sense at all or just rambling? I don't think I'm at my most coherent today.
So getting to the comments from yesterday, I was intrigued at how many people felt they were moving up the scale, and seemed to think that was a good thing. Maybe that's one of the common denominators (can I have more than one common denominator?) for people who read my blog?
And Kaya, you are definitely at least a 9. Yep. Remember the nails? And you asked for the nails.
SFP, you can be wherever you want sweetie. Want to be a 6? I don't mind.
And Lil, I think the negative numbers are normal people who just don't like pain. And the numbers above 10 are the crazy people. Who decides these things? Me. My blog, my scale. BUT... it's still in development so if you convince me, I can change it. And maybe I could be persuaded.
And my Owner says that he would put me at a 6.4 now. Don't you love that precision? And that I was a 2.7 when he met me. I was pretty happy at 2.7 and just didn't get sadism or masochism at all from either side. He says he's a 7 by the way, I think he's at least a 7.5. I do know he's further on the scale than I am, darker than I am. I know that I want to stop well before he does.
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Well, if the negative numbers are for people who don't like pain at all, then I guess I don't fall there lol.
It's an interesting concept to differentiate the numbers between how much a person craves pain and how much they can tolerate. I would say it changes the numbers drastically. If we were going on the assumption that it's how much pain a person can take, I'm sticking with 2 or 3. Looking at it from the angle of craving, I would move myself to larger numbers. I wonder how often the two actually coincide exactly?
I'm not 100% sure I'm making any sense...
lil makes a good point (and i'm tired and clarity is not my forte just now so if i ramble, forgive me)
how much a person craves and how much they can tolerate AND how much their owner wants them to take...they're all sides of that scale, i think.
i was bitten to erotic heaven a week ago. He spanked me a little, used the fucking SCT on my ass and tits ....and....
i was disappointed that the leather belt was never deployed.
i was tied, fucked, made to cum a zillion times, and yet i *craved* more....
could i have taken it?
we'll see next time.
This time i think he was calibrating.
nilla
two more things....
1. I am *delighted* and thrilled that things are going so well for You and Big Bad....you've had a bumpy ride...and i'm verrah glad that you and i are friends, coz i value that so much.
2. right after i commented, my Master responded to a q i'd asked...and said "Fear of pain's power; lust for it is pleasure"
since i'd not mentioned YOUR post, i found the coincidence rather amazing...*smiles*
nilla
going to bed now
and my keyword here is emanths which is close enough to empath to make me grin...
Okay, I had to come back and add more when my brain was awake lol. If the negative numbers are normal people who don't like pain at all, I'm not going to try and make a case for them lol.
I think that nilla's point about how much a person's owner wants them to take is important on the scale. That itself changes the numbers (for me) the more He wants it, the easier it is to take more.
I think that my Master and Mistress put me at a four partly because of my inexperience. I still have issues with accepting my masochism. Asking to be hurt is scary. Acknowledging that I want to be hurt still feels like I'm some kind of weirdo.
I agree with you that different bottoms take different kinds of pain differently. What makes me red with a flogger compared to a riding crop might be opposite for you.
Watching them play with a new person is interesting. There is an in-depth question and answer period first (medical, psychological, "Is the scene over if you cry" etc). They also always warm up the bottom first. I have little interest in inflicting pain, so I don't quite grok the Sadist point of view.
You pointed out what I saw in your earlier post where you drew the continuum and that is that while each of the submissives fall in different portions of the scale, almost everyone has one thing in common. That commonality is that each one has a desire to reach higher on the pain slut scale. As a Sadist, that makes your Dom smile.
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